Response to Rosebud part 2

"One of these proofs is that the Scripture is replete with prophecy fulfilled"

 
    - All of the prophecies you list are both given and fulfilled within the scripture. You are using scripture to prove scripture. There is no evidence in reality that any of this took place that wasn't simply post hoc history. Can you show me something solid that confirms the bible is true outside of the bible's word and those who follow the bible? If I told you I had a scientology book that prophesized we'd eventually have a black president, that L. Ron Hubbard would return in a new form, and that everything Hubbard predicted would happen in his writings took place as evidenced by his writings… Would you believe me? Why not? Hundreds of thousands of people do! (Wink, scientology is pretty retarded… but I read Battlefield Earth and it kicked ass).



"You claim, for example that there is no evidence of the Moses traverse, but the reported discovery of chariot wheels in the Red Sea seems to provide evidence that Pharoah's chariots were indeed entrapped and submerged during the Red Sea crossing."



    - This cannot be validated as you have stated, and in an attempt to verify this myself, I discovered Ron Wyatt (the source of this claim) to have been repeatedly discredited by professional archeologists and biblical scholars (apparently The Garden Tomb Association and Joe Zias of Israel Antiquites Authority didn't care for him either) – this information can be found simply by googling his name. But either way, it wouldn't be conclusive evidence provided the story given in the bible.


"However, in the interest of an open and honest debate, I would say that you have misconstrued the facts in claiming that the evidence for the Moses traverse is non-existent, when in truth, the best you can claim is that the evidence is controversial, and that research is still in progress."


    - All three links you provide are still pointing to the "pharaoh's" wheel. The one no one can find, and the one that does not confirm anything beyond a single chariot wheel. Even if we had it, it's highly unlikely it belonged to a pharaoh.  Should it really be this difficult to find evidence that confirms just one story in the bible??  If the bible is true we should be finding mounds of evidence, at least historical evidence of some kind.  


"It would be foolish, however, to base our opinions about the field of Biblical archeology upon the work of a single amateur archeologist. An article by the leading creation scientist Clifford Wilson of Answers in Genesis presents an overview of current field research that supports Scriptural integrity in his article: Does Archeology Support the Bible?  If, after reading this, you are interested in pursuing the topic further, I refer you to an academic journal, the Biblical Archeology Review."


    - Do you have any sources that aren't biased? This is like me giving you proof that Islam is the one true religion by giving you Islamic sites that cut out all evidence but the bent views which proves their own misguided delusions, and in which all their degrees and credibility is listed only by their own institutions, which they created themselves. Clifford Wilson is not a recognized archeologist in the scientific community. He's a young-earth creationist nut-job that only speaks for the creationist community. No offence, but there are WAY better Christian scholars.


"I hardly expect them to be in agreement, but I do not feel that careful examination of the Scriptures in any way endorses violent conflict between them.
The birth of Christ was a message of peace and goodwill to all men. Scripturally, the Gospel of Christ is offered to all and forced upon none. God reveals his purposes as global, and His love as being purposefully intended to draw representatives from every people, language, and nation/culture."


    - Really? When Christians say things like this, I feel like I'm the only one in the conversation who has actually read the bible. It's tragically ironic in my opinion:


Mathew:


10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.


13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity
13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.    
13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.


25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels


Mark:


Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) 7:9-10 ("For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death")


Luke:


God strikes Zacharias dumb for doubting the angel Gabriel's words. 1:20


17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all…. Remember Lot's wife (god turned her into a pillar of salt for looking back at her dying people).
    - Lot was an asshole who let the village people rape his two daughters in Genesis:
19:7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.    
19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.


And I'm bored already… there's so many passages of god and jesus being a pretentious and hypocritical ass that I could list them all day:


2 Thessalonians:


1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power


2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Revelations:


2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
2:23 And I will kill her children with death


"Among the plethora of world religions, I find this to be a unique perspective in terms of believers' perspective of unbelievers. While Christians are passionate about truth, their perspective of themselves is to be humble, and their perspective towards nonbelievers is to be loving."


- Um.. I think you're generalizing here. You're telling me there are no radical Christian "soldiers" that would rather we bomb the hell out of Arab lands? That homosexuals should be put to death as it says in the bible (Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.)?


This video was the best cut I could find of Jesus Camp the movie.  
Bill Maher's and his guests respond on Real Time:

With the rest of your questions I'm in partial agreement with your responses, but I'm sick of writing. So if there was a response you made that you really want me to address that I haven't, let me know what it was and I'll give you my answer. But I think this is enough for now ;)

 

 
Phaedrus out!